tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5163239498065823032.post6831764333605521640..comments2024-03-28T07:06:10.334-04:00Comments on Talking to the Void: Sinking ShipsGuy McNichtshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06807824295727282261noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5163239498065823032.post-87018347610533438802013-12-07T01:54:15.476-05:002013-12-07T01:54:15.476-05:00"Who's one of those women he's talkin..."Who's one of those women he's talking about? Who's one of those women he had to "step over?" Diana. That's how Bruce remembers Diana, guys. That's his view of the symbol of female empowerment. Just some dumb broad he couldn't be bothered with."<br /><br />See, if I suspected you were blatantly misinterpreting Justice League earlier, this confirms it. Batman Beyond was made before Justice League. The creators did not have a relationship with Diana planned. Furthermore, this is a Batman at the peak of his bitterness, who has literally given up all friendships and human connections. He is a miserable cynic. While he might say that stuff, that does not mean it is true.<br /><br />Next time, stick to Wonder Woman.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10195083328331086836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5163239498065823032.post-13331222964766950342013-12-07T01:53:46.017-05:002013-12-07T01:53:46.017-05:00You clearly understand Wonder Woman well.
The same...You clearly understand Wonder Woman well.<br />The same cannot be said of Justice League or Batman.<br /><br />"Wonder Woman and Batman—for some reason that was never adequately explained—suddenly decided they might, kinda, sorta, maybe be attracted to each other. As you might guess from that little summation, this sub-plot was incredibly contrived, based on nothing, and involved both Diana and Bruce acting really out of character."<br /><br />Gee, imagine that, two incredibly attractive people who spend a lot of time together and clearly enjoy each other's company realise their might be a potential romantic connection. WHAT ARE THE ODDS. That is how real relationships work.<br /><br />"Wonder Woman belongs with Batman because he is the Goddamn Batman and he is so awesome and it's only right that he be the one who gets the "best" woman. How adorable."<br /><br />I love baseless speculations!<br /><br />"All that stuff I said about Superman during Infinite Crisis—turning his back on her, berating her for not being human, etc—oh, Bats was right there alongside him. In fact, Batman was even worse. Aside from the fact he created Brother Eye and it was his fault Diana was even put in that position, at least Superman kind of seemed to be conflicted about the whole thing. Not so with Bruce. As far as he was concerned, Diana crossed the line and that was that—she was dead to him."<br /><br />How dare Batman not immediately forgive one of his best friends for committing his single most abhorred act.<br /><br />"And that whole secret identity thing at the end of Infinite Crisis..? Who do you think set up Diana's fake ID, passport, and government job for her? Helpful ol' Bruce Wayne because, like Clark, there's something wrong with Diana that he needs to help fix."<br /><br />No. He did those things because he could, not because he wanted to "fix" Diana. Superman was probably like, "Hey, Bruce, hook Diana up with a job," and that was that.<br /><br />"So many times has Batman proved he regards Wonder Woman with little more than disdain. He constantly condescends and patronizes her. He's openly mocked her beliefs right to her face. Batman's interpretation of Diana's beliefs is, his words: "Spread peace and understanding, but don't be afraid to bloody your knuckles doing it." More than once he's said this, and the fact she hasn't smeared his sanctimonious face across the wall is a testament to her tolerance."<br /><br />As you have illustrated frequently, that is generally how her beliefs are written.<br /><br />"She's just an asset to him. A thing that can either be helpful or not, and needs to be monitored and controlled."<br /><br />Yay, more baseless speculation!<br /><br />"And as for Justice League Unlimited—even if that wasn't a separate continuity, this relationship is appalling. We have a Wonder Woman that's clingy and throwing herself at Batman because he's just so awesome even though he clearly doesn't care about her. People will insist he was, "hiding his true feelings for her," but that's a load of crap. He didn't give one single god damn about her. This Little Piggy, you say..? As if he'd have done any less for any other member of the League.<br />Legend has it, the real reason the developers of the show went in this direction was because they didn't know what else to do with Wonder Woman. So, since they were so in love with Batman, they figured they might as well have her worship him."<br /><br />Nope, Wonder Woman was never particularly clingy. She never threw herself at Batman. She pointed out Batman was absurdly aloof, and she flirted with him, but that was about it. Batman clearly does care for her. It was not even in the subtext. It was explicit. You have invented a dynamic which never existed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10195083328331086836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5163239498065823032.post-58187109443262467782013-03-31T04:53:37.545-04:002013-03-31T04:53:37.545-04:00Dear god Shipping. Even though I do partake in it,...Dear god Shipping. Even though I do partake in it, I hate shipping. Shippers are the 5th worst type of fans, and we should really all be lobotomized. We set up ships on the stupidest of things and then wont let them go and because of us, they become mainstream! I've seen various incarnations of the Superman/Diana ship and I've only seen it (barely!) work once, and that was in Red Son. Wonder Woman is one of those characters that only a select few people actually get well enough to properly write. Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of her but I respect her character well enough to know she deserves better than this (This of course being her treatment by the writers/management.)<br /><br />NOW THAT I'VE GOT THAT OUT OF MY SYSTEM!<br /><br />you wrote a decent rant on WHY Wonder Woman ships are bad, and it was a fun read. Now excuse me while I try to figure out if there is a way to subscribe to this.Elheirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11802223342020333994noreply@blogger.com